The thing that pushes me away from AIOs is the maintenance / lifespan of them. Offering performance so close to Noctua's flagship is nothing to scoff at. Turns out it's usually the pump that just meekly dies out first. IMO, it’s not unreasonable to replace a cooler once every 6-7 years. One thing I really like about liquid cooling is that you can remove the heat completely from the case (a big benefit for mITX builds), i.e., my radiator is mounted on the outside of my case. Note that DeepCool's AS500 is also an excellent alternative for those who don't quite have the room or the budget for a true big air cooler. Say 5 hour gaming session with fans at max. I'd be interested to see statistics on AIO & fans failure rates, like there are for hard drives. If you start modifying aio you are getting into a different market. Currently I'm still rocking H80i for cooling my i7-4770 from 2014 back then. delivers on that pedigree at such a pleasing price point with the Pure Rock 2, it's an undeniable recommendation for serious system builders on any budget. It also does that if you mount the radiator on the exhaust, though. The most important aspect of a cooling system is its heat dissipation capacity, which CPU makers express as Watts TDP. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (1 child). Problem with this is that it is not always possible. Best Motherboards As far as performance goes, it isn’t necessarily better than a good air cooling system, it’s just an alternative option. If you disable password on wake it takes 6 seconds to wake. I like the look of the towers more too. I've been using it for about 1.5 years. [–]Atemu12 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (0 children). ', 'Does a ____ do what I need? There is a graph on top of the page but comparing two fans that way is a PITA compared to the old site. Here's the failure rate of AIOs: 0.25% and dropping, according to Asetek (the employee previously at NZXT). I imagine at that kind of heat output (i.e., pinning a 240/280/360 CLC at 90 C is extreme), then the air coolers would fall further behind (10 C to 15 C worse). for this build. And without even touching the scaling for price. TL; DW, liquid is slightly better per dollar and per normalized noise than air. At that point it isn't longer a fair comparison though. but the one that I have if they can be changed. I think the main selling point with traditional tower heatsinks is that once they are installed they are trouble free. Pairing that thermal performance with low noise makes it our choice for air-cooling big CPUs, with great looks and easy installation qualifying as bonuses. [–]bitch_fitching 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-28 points-27 points-26 points 9 months ago (3 children). AIOs should have an even larger advantage over air coolers when mounted in a case. It was still working fine, no leaks or fan issues. And we don't really talk about some of the high-end units that we have in development on test benches haven't failed in six to eight years. Transcription below because I'm a fucking masochist, starting a bit later: Asetek and CoolIT provide most CLCs and also have units in server farms around the world. It's not very often an entry level cooler impresses me as much as the Scythe Fuma has. [–]overdark33 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). Both equally as quiet, imo. I think these coolers won't have just a 5 C difference across the entire range, honestly. [–]Atmosphere91 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). Saying they don't fail is a bit strong of a statement. One of the things that you’re bound to be faced with when working with a new build is the question of the cooling solution. maybe see if these AIO can be even better without better fans. For more on how these can perform (and how good they look), check out our Mirror Maze build feature. It's always good to know stuff like this. AIO cooling is a form of liquid cooling where it contains pressurized coolant inside of the loop. But to be fair, it's a little bit undervolted. I would like to give it a go some day but I currently have no need to upgrade, so unless a friend wants a hand building in which scenario I would then need to sell them on the idea of not only mITX but a SFF case to boot which brings us back to the cost problem. Dimensions: 171.5 x 139.7 x 133.4mm | Base Height: 38.1mm | Weight: 42.7oz (1210g) | Fans: (2) 140 x 25mm | Socket Support: 115x, 1366, 2011x, 2066; FM2(+), FM1, AM2(+), AM3(+), AM4 | Warranty: 5 years. Like my Meshfiy C has room for two 140/120mm fans on top, but not a 280mm AIO as there is not enough clearance, also if you have tall ram even a 240mm cooler could be trouble. [–]Stingray88 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]PyroKnight 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]-protonsandneutrons- 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). There are multiple factors to consider when purchasing a cooling solution for your CPU, but the main factor is clear – performance. [–]wankthisway 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]aSc4rYGh0sT 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago (4 children). Still prefer air cooler because in my country, liquid cooler has no warranty or coverage for other components when it fails. Another benefit of liquid cooling is its ability to … use the following search parameters to narrow your results: The goal of /r/hardware is a place for quality hardware news, reviews, and intelligent discussion. [–]wankthisway 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), [–]-protonsandneutrons- 29 points30 points31 points 9 months ago* (13 children), "Extreme permeation" is expected at 6+ years, not 3-5 years, noted by GN. But then again I'm not overclocking anymore. I know this corsair is one day going to wear out, even if it is 4 or 5 years out. Because what do you do with that? The best setup, I expect, would have a duct to give the GPU access to ambient temperature air. Max. But computers are more than CPU temps and 360 radiator spaces - so there is never a air/liquid answer. I can answer some questions, as a recent Noctua NH-U14S owner -> Corsair H80i V2 (two wildly different builds). AIO water cooling is considered the best for cooling efficiency short of a custom loop, but is it really? The "hot" air coming off a front mounted AIO is nowhere near the CPU temperature when the system is under load - typically it's only a few degrees above ambient temperature. And the GPU is the bottleneck most of the time anyway, so using a CLC cooler on the CPU with the fans blowing into the case is suboptimal as well, [–]edernlg 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (1 child). However, it’s relatively expensive. True, I was fully expecting 280 CLC to beat a nh-d15 but the noise levels are better than I thought on the liquid side. Some notable lifecycle tests (from a company that makes heatpipes, so take your grains of salt): https://www.1-act.com/high-temperature-water-heat-pipe-life-tests-150c-to-300c/, https://www.1-act.com/process-control-life-tests/, [–]Master_Mura 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]Mr_Golf_Club 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), My Noctua NH-L9x65 fan is by far the quietest cooler I’ve had yet, keeps my i7 in fine temps, and this made a fantastic option for my mini towers that fit perfectly next to the RAM mounts, [–]re_error 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago* (3 children). I use an H80i V2 (49mm rad + 2x120mm) because 1) it was on sale for $60 and 2) a properly sized CPU heatsink (an i5-8600K) would've tipped over my 9" tall case, lmao. GN practically sandblasted away my long-standing myth about AIO: that failures are always catatrophic mobo-destroying affairs. There was a problem. They mention that liquid cooling is primarily from Asetek/CoolIT, who supply server farms for liquid cooling. I swapped my EVGA GTX960 SSC (it has one of the best air coolers in the GPU world) for a water cooled EVGA GTX 1080. Would this results hold true inside a case? [–]QuadraKev_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), I guess an open bench doesn't really account for air that can get trapped/recycled in a case, [+]87gsodfybsdfhvgbkdfh comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 months ago (9 children). I.e. [–]Isiam 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]pakeco -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago* (4 children). I refuse to touch any software from a consumer PC hardware manufacturer unless absolutely necessary. It can make a big difference in temperatures, noise and performance -- particularly if you're overclocking. I've been using it ever since, also using it right now. No need to buy anything else. The act of switching from air to liquid cooling represents a personal milestone in one’s computer-building life. Once people install a thing, they expect it to work. Their results are incredibly weird. Overall, for this mini-ITX case (9" by 9" by 4.25" / 23cm x 23cm x 11cm), there was no way to adequately cool a i5-8600K quietly without liquid cooling and I'm not spending $150 on a silly custom loop. Enough bloatware everywhere, esp. [–]geniice 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (3 children). Interesting. While keeping your system cool is a good idea, blowing your entire build budget on a cooling solution is not. Former is easier to avoid and latter is indistinguishable from poor performance. Corsair Hydro Series H60. This is something I think needed to be explored, and I wouldn't trust anyone other than GN to do it right. With slightly better cooling and slightly lower noise than the above Arctic model, Noctua's NH-U12A becomes the premium choice for buyers who aren't afraid to pay big dollars for small gains. Is it quieter with the AIO, is it the same, or is the AIO louder due to the different type of (pump) noise? thanks. For the handful of coolers tested, perhaps. In the 40 dba chart the best clc was 10 C cooler than the D15, would love to see how much further that can go. Often used in sports, [–]RealLifeHunter 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). I replaced it because I didn’t have AM4 mounting hardware, and I knew it was probably about worn out. In any way. Would 2x140mm perform better in those situations? Show me the AIO that you can buy for 45 € (none) and that still works as new after 7 years of operation (none). So, a CLC means you can't change out anything or expand, then, from some definitions I'm reading: CLC = it is a closed loop - meaning no changing of tubing, res, pump, block etc. Compatible … Come on, over 28 minutes just to say that air cooling is better (as in the best buy, which is what 99.99999999% of people mean in the computer world)…. $68/yr is a NH-D15 every year and a half, or the difference between a 2060 and a 2070 Super if you upgrade every 3 years. Thank God, no. Get instant access to breaking news, in-depth reviews and helpful tips. usage CPU temps are a few degrees higher or lower as long as you aren't overclocking? Or get the problem fixed. My friend got an X62, broke within a year and he’s had an air cooler since. So we don't make videos talking about how all of our test benches and all of our production systems have been using liquid coolers since basically forever. Is a cooler that keeps the cpu at 60C really better than a cooler that keeps it at 65C at the same noise level? It is a scenario of no gpu/gpu load and open bench though so we know AIOs are better then but the video doesn't say how case, gpu load, rad top or front affect the comparison (+ how GPU temps change). So you don't really want to give praise for that because then it's just doing its job. The company’s pedigree, deeply rooted in performance and quality, are alone enough to draw the gaze of the enthusiasts. Or bring attention to it. It offers exceptional performance. The Enermax Liqtech 240 TR4 unit will make for a more suitable air vs. liquid comparison versus the Noctua NH-U14S TR4 unit and, although liquid is … Best Budget Air Cooler Alternative: Arctic Freezer 34 Esports Duo [–]Kpofasho87 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), If buildzoid says that honestly that's good enough for me. [–]Luxurious_Foam 8 points9 points10 points 9 months ago* (4 children). You will receive a verification email shortly. Even the longest U-shaped heatpipes are ~40 centimeters, i.e., the Noctua DH-15, so ~48 micrometers of total expansion. I also have the H115i Corsair Hydro Platinum AIO unit. How a CPU Cooler Works Both air and liquid CPU coolers operate on a similar principle, and both do essentially the same thing: absorb heat from the CPU and redistribute it away from the hardware. [–]kaustix2 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (1 child). Obviously, air coolers need a supply of fresh air from case fans and will also run hotter in case than on test bench, but you don't really need to run the fans all that much faster in case to achieve roughly the test bench results, whereas on AIO, to overcome the extra resistance of the case, you need to crank the RPM quite a bit, and thus increase the noise quite a lot, to come close to the test bench results (with the stock AIO fans, to make it clear). Air cooling wins in pretty much every way here. Those pumps can’t pass water fast enough or in large quantities as truly needed for extended use. Like, that's what it should do. [–]ASuarezMascareno 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (4 children). Even overclocking it rarely matter. Sizes: 120mm. In fact he says so around 4:50. /r/hardware is not the place to come for help of any kind. Then noise normalization becomes more fair and we can get a better idea into how these coolers operate with similar airflow characteristics. Nothing new happened with the 8K benchmarks. I don't think there's any way I'll swap my Dark Rock Pro 4 for any AIOs. [–]wankthisway 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (12 children). They did not, but they did make a video quite some time ago where they were showing some testing procedure development. Air cooling vs. For mainstream builds, your exact cooler choice is pretty irrelevant as long as it's a decent cooler. A cpu will run the same whether at 20C or ~85C, so I don't see how it really matters. But if you trust that, it means the CPU must be putting out an appreciable amount of power, which makes the 0 K Δ on the GPU implausible. [–]jforce321 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). In my opinion water cooling 1080ti is not worth it. Then again I am personally using a 280mm for overclocks and it's really quiet with proper fans. Why? Nothing too surprising. You plug it and it's now working. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Been thinking on doing a mITX build for years now but the top SFF cases are so expensive I just figured putting the money saved towards the GPU is a better investment. How do you find building in the SFF? I guess a lot of ppl dont have that knowledge, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago (0 children). While not very well known, cheaper air coolers can provide comparable performance to more premium brand products and demolish them in price/performance. I built a rig with one 8 years old and still working fine no... 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